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jeremy
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:23 pm  Reply with quote
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With temperatures rising like gas prices, scooters may seem the perfect mode of transportation. You get up to 100 miles per gallon, on top of the hipster factor and the feel of the wind in your hair. But there's one imperfection to these sassy little two-wheeled machines: A March 2005 study by the Environmental Protection Agency shows most scooters on the road pollute more than SUVs.

http://www.wweek.com/story.php?story=7867
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Sam
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:34 pm  Reply with quote
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a 2005 Stella also made by Piaggio
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But on the horizon are biodiesel scooters as well as electric and solar-powered prototypes
Biodiesel scooters? Really?

I think this article leaves a lot to be desired. Like how about the fuel it takes to remove all the oil from the ground. That Subaru burns 8 times the fuel, which means more resources are being depleated to fuel it. Why dont we take stuff like that into account?

...Sorry for the rant...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:52 pm  Reply with quote
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Until we reach that harmonic convergence of scooters that are both environmentally astute and chic, two-stroke engine owners should keep their rides in tip-top shapeŚfrequent oil changes, regular tune-ups, the whole spiel.


Dumbass. Hard to change your oil when you burn it up.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:13 pm  Reply with quote
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I think they meant frequent SPARK PLUG changes...
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Motorcycle engines are generally a lot smaller than auto and light truck engines, perhaps an average size of 700cc versus 3700cc, so they produce less exhaust volume. So although motorcycle exhaust is typically 'dirtier' than car exhaust, there is a lot less of it. (And not all motorcycles are a lot 'dirtier' than cars. The best are on a par with cars and the worst are only as bad as an older car. On my commute I pass...and smell...a larger number of visibly emitting automobiles than the total number of motorcycles. Not that this excuses motorcycles.) The California Air Resources Board estimates streetbikes are responsible for 0.006% of the emissions generated by all road vehicles.

I have been trying to find more info on this subject. What are the cleanest motorcycles and scooters? Electric scooters have a footprint on the enviroment with batteries only lasting 1-2 years.

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Brad
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:40 am  Reply with quote
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EPA Certification Test Results:
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/veh-cert/cert-tst/05motorcycles_testresults.xls

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That's just for 2005 California. I didn't see any "vintage" scooters or two strokers listed.

That list probably only has vehicles that the manufacturers payed the EPA to test and then passed?
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weird, I couldn't find any two-strokes on their web page.
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/crttst.htm

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:16 pm  Reply with quote
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No matter how you stack it up, two stroke engines are awful for the environment. I can't imagine that this would be a big surprise to anyone who owns one or had riden in a large group of them.

If you really want to be good to the environment, ride a bicycle.

And oil-changes do help your engine run smoother.
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you should buy a two stroke diesel scooter that runs on whale oil and ground up elephant tusks
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Moses
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n8murphy wrote:
you should buy a two stroke diesel scooter that runs on whale oil and ground up elephant tusks


It's should have some uranium or plutonium flakes in there, too... maybe as a battery or for that orange, ceramic plate paint (that'll get the geiger counter ticking). Tires made of rhino hide. Oh, yeah, and a narwhal tusk mounted on the front fender. Can't forget the lead paint... lots of lead paint.

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An electric motor with mercury innards (like the first electric motor) would be cool. You'd probably need only 60 or 70 pounds to make it work.

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what about the seat cover made out of baby seal fur?

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Anesthesia wrote:
what about the seat cover made out of baby seal fur?


Sweet! Naturally, it would be waterproof, right?

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"what about the seat cover made out of baby seal fur? "

Would that be a club seat?
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