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Kevin K
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:25 am  Reply with quote
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All,
I'm still scoomuting daily on the Vespa. What I've noticed is that the P's harder to shift when it's colder out. Presumably this is due to the gear oil being stiffer. Or is it? Is it possibe that the shifter cables need adjustment? I've put about 2500 miles on it since they were last adjusted.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:41 am  Reply with quote
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I think its weak wrists.

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Poppy,

My P's have always required more shifting effort in low temps as well - at least until they warm up. I've always attributed it to the gear oil and cable lube.


Kevin K wrote:
Presumably this is due to the gear oil being stiffer. Or is it? Is it possibe that the shifter cables need adjustment?
-K
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:14 am  Reply with quote
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I doubt it's weak wrists. Have you met Kevin? Seems like a guy who'd have strong wrists...

I don't know what Piaggio says, but the Stella manual actually suggests switching to multiweight oil when the temp gets below some incredibly cold level. I didn't bother last year, but I know some people who say it's a good idea. Course, maybe that trick only works on those Indian engines. I'm sure they're very different.

I've also heard people say that using high-quality actual gear oil can make it a little easier to shift in the winter - 80wt (or is it 90wt? I don't remember for sure) gear oil is supposedly the same as 30wt motor oil, but more expensive because it can be synthetic and shit. I use the 30wt ND motor oil they sell at SA for like $1.25 or something, and I've never had issues, even for the ten seconds when it got really cold last year. But some people *do* swear by actual synthetic gear oil.

It all depends on how much it bugs you and how much you want to part with more money, I guess.

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I'd always assumed it was the cable lube. I haven't had any problems this year, and I'm running silicone spray. (But it also hasn't been below 20.) One year I went out for the CWC and once I got it into second, I pretty much had to opt to keep it there. It shifted fine out of the garage, but after a few miles of subzero temps, it required one hand to pull the clutch lever in, and the other to help twist the whole assemblage.

Whether the braided cables just got too rigid from being cold, or humidity had contributed to their losing flexibility or what- I dunno. But I lost my chance at that fantastic crafty planet scarf that day, and a little part of me died. And I'll never get it back.

And I'm still crying.
and the tears are freezing on my red, chapped cheeks.
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Egan
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:35 am  Reply with quote
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poor boy..here let me dry those tears with my KICK ASS LAMBRETTA SCARF!!!

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The fact that Egan won is proof that there is a god.

And it/he/she hates me.
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Egan
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haha lmao mf

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Sorry Nate, didn't know Egan would win it. We'll add a 'no jerks' clause this year.

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Oh, no- to be fair, Egan actually finished a qualifying run. (or DID he?!) I pussed out after a couple miles- not so much because I was cold, but because I was scared to death of dying when I ran a stop sign in a futile attempt at avoiding stalling. Because bumpstarting it in second on a slick road wouldn't have happened...

That and I'm a sissy.
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Trust me I did 11+ in -11. I've got skin on 2 fingers that get sore quicker in the cold now. It was fun bit hand gear would need improvement. I also lucked out that the roads were nice and dry.

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Maybe not weak wrists, but limp ones for sure.

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Maybe you shouldn't be riding in Danger Cold.

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Welllll, I image AT LEAST ONE of Kevin's wrists is limp....

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Kevin K
PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:15 pm  Reply with quote
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EvilScooterKitty wrote:
Welllll, I image AT LEAST ONE of Kevin's wrists is limp....

OBVIOUSLY not the one I shift with....
-K

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