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Brad
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:13 pm  Reply with quote
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Bajaj four-stroke

Or Vespa GTS 250 power and Euro 3 compliant. I wish more scooters were fuel injected.

Have your scooter and still be green, just not that mod feel.

Derrick, were any of the old-time scooters four stroke?

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Derrick wrote:
What do you mean? You just got all pissy and started calling me names.


That means he likes you.

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Derrick
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Brad wrote:
Derrick, were any of the old-time scooters four stroke?


Some. Mostly Cushman's and a handful of oddball European ones. Nothing I would consider clean running or owning.
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Tom Lindsay wrote:
Yeah, considering that ANY vehicle causes more environmental damage in its manufacture than in its lifetime of operations...


That is not entirely true. It depends on what you are measuring.

http://www.ilea.org/lcas/macleanlave1998.html

I think the big picture should be looked at when considering actual impact of our lives (environmentally or otherwise), but repeating false or mis-information damages the power of any point to be made.
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Derrick
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OK Brooke. What does that all mean on the whole?

And more specifically:

"Figure 2 - Toxic releases over the lifetime of a typical car. The total releases represented by the pie are 66.3 kg." - Looks like manufacturing is the largest part of this pie.

I read a while back that the "dust to dust" environment impact of a Prius is worst then a Hummer. Now I don't believe everything I read but I do know that there are many costs involved in making and using a Hybrid type vehicle. Many of which are hard to trace and brushed over by the media.

In what way are Tom and I wrong?

That information adds little to what Tom and I have said already said. If anything it shows that the cost of manufacturing is higher then most people think - of a Ford Taurus anyway! I bet the environment impact of manufacturing a hybrid is quite a bit higher.


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As regards harvesting the homeless, Soylent Green is people. How efficient would it be for one half of the population to eat the other half and render the non-edible chum for fuel?

I suspect we taste like chicken or bacon - mmm', bacon.
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Brooke
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Did you read it or just look at the pictures? You can skip to the last two paragraphs and get the summary of what a person could think about. It's a study that's just saying what it found when it looked, not whether someone should buy a new more fuel efficient car or a used car. My point is that the statement that was posted wasn't entirely true.

Who said you were wrong? If you want to have a discussion, discuss the topic and/or what is said. Putting words in peoples mouths is what makes a discussion degenerate into the kind of name calling you don't like.



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OK Brooke. What does that all mean on the whole?

And more specifically:

"Figure 2 - Toxic releases over the lifetime of a typical car. The total releases represented by the pie are 66.3 kg." - Looks like manufacturing is the largest part of this pie.

I read a while back that the "dust to dust" environment impact of a Prius is worst then a Hummer. Now I don't believe everything I read but I do know that there are many costs involved in making and using a Hybrid type vehicle. Many of which are hard to trace and brushed over by the media.

In what way are Tom and I wrong?
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Kenny - Why not feed the homeless with Liberals?

I can think of no greater sacrifice then to give your life so anothers can live. It's an emotional thing.
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I stand, prepared.

I am your meal, or are you mine?
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Lisa
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kennylibido wrote:
I stand, prepared.

I am your meal, or are you mine?


I'm glad I'm a vegetarian. I'd much rather have either of you over for dinner no matter what you were driving than have you for dinner. Blech...


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I'd eat anyone/thing thats put in front of me.

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chris wrote:
I'd eat anyone/thing thats put in front of me.

Chris


That sounds like a challenge for the next garage night.

I'll give you that tail light if you eat... [insert name of disgusting food item here].
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garage night, you never know what you'll see.
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Lisa wrote:
That sounds like a challenge for the next garage night.

I'll give you that tail light if you eat... [insert name of disgusting food item here].


Name the time and place and I'll put in in my mouth.

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chris wrote:
Lisa wrote:
That sounds like a challenge for the next garage night.

I'll give you that tail light if you eat... [insert name of disgusting food item here].


Name the time and place and I'll put in in my mouth.

Chris


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