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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:03 pm  Reply with quote
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There's an article in the strib talking about how motorized scooters are now legalized.


"The lightweight scooters come in electric- and gasoline-powered versions and vary widely in model and price. Some resemble skateboards with a handle; others, such as the Vespa, look like more sophisticated motor scooters They were introduced several years ago as variations of the lighter-weight, foot-propelled scooters that remain popular with children."

The vespa looks like a more sophisticated motorscooter? Does that mean that there are motorscooters more sophisticated than the vespa, (get your lambretta crack in here) or is there a foot scooter that's called a Vespa that looks a lot like a REAL motorscooter, or is it simply saying that a Vespa is a motorized foot scooter, but it sure does look sophisticated?

Later in the article, there's this little chestnut:

"The new state law defines motorized scooters as those with either 10-inch or smaller wheels or an engine that can't go faster than 15 miles per hour. But if a scooter has 10-inch wheels, it can be operated as fast as the law allows, said legislative analyst John Williams. Some scooters have top speeds of 25 or 30 miles per hour."

Does that mean that my 8" classic is 'a motorized scooter'? So does that mean classic bikes can't be operated as fast as the law allows? Wait, how fast does the law allow me to operate it if I can't operate it as fast as the law allows?

And then in the statute itself:



6.10 Subd. 4c. [MOTORIZED FOOT SCOOTER.] "Motorized foot
6.11 scooter" means a device with no more than two ten-inch or
6.12 smaller diameter wheels that has handlebars, is designed to be
6.13 stood or sat upon by the operator, and is powered by an internal
6.14 combustion engine or electric motor that is capable of
6.15 propelling the device with or without human propulsion. An
6.16 electric personal assistive mobility device, a motorized
6.17 bicycle, an electric-assisted bicycle, or a motorcycle is not a
6.18 motorized foot scooter.


So do I have a motorized foot scooter or a motorcycle? are 10" wheels the defining point, or the greater than 50cc engine?

Because if I now ride a motorized foot scooter, this is going to suck:

7.12 (2) when preparing for a left turn, in which case the
7.13 operator shall stop and dismount at the right-hand curb or right
7.14 edge of the roadway, and shall complete the turn by crossing the
7.15 roadway on foot, subject to restrictions placed by law on
7.16 pedestrians; or


Although the upshot is that I won't have to pay any more registration fees (moot, as I bought the classic plate) and this is kind of a bonus:

7.22 (b) A person may operate a motorized foot scooter on a
7.23 bicycle path, bicycle lane, bicycle trail, or bikeway that is
7.24 not reserved for the exclusive use of nonmotorized traffic,
7.25 unless the local authority or governing body having jurisdiction
7.26 over that path, lane, trail, or bikeway prohibits operation by
7.27 law.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:17 pm  Reply with quote
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Well, officially a motorcycle is:

Subd. 4. Motorcycle. "Motorcycle" means every motor
vehicle having a seat or saddle for the use of the rider and
designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with
the ground, including motor scooters and bicycles with motor
attached, other than those vehicles defined as motorized
bicycles in subdivision 4a, but excluding a tractor.

Subd. 4a. Motorized bicycle. "Motorized bicycle"
means a bicycle that is propelled by a motor of a piston
displacement capacity of 50 cubic centimeters or less, and a
maximum of two brake horsepower, which is capable of a maximum
speed of not more than 30 miles per hour on a flat surface with
not more than one percent grade in any direction when the motor
is engaged. "Motorized bicycle" includes an electric-assisted
bicycle as defined in subdivision 4b.


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I'll be damned. The only thing differentiating Foot Scooters from motorscooters (which are motorcycles) is tire size. I'm not sure where the law defines motorscooters, exactly. But the law as written (as I see it) means we don't need plates any more. And I'm riding on the sidewalk everywhere I can, unless local ordinances forbid it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:31 pm  Reply with quote
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And with more lawyering, I suppose the line that gets me out of this is:
"Vehicle designed to be propelled with or without human propulsion".

Vespars aren't designed to be propelled by humans. (But Lame-brokens are! HA HA HA.) Unless you're bump starting them, I guess.
But that'd be the crucial little tidbit you'd have to use to stand up in court with, not the tire size.

Sorry for the overreaction there.

Time for my favorite internet acronym:
IANAL, YMMV, etc.
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