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Ritchie
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:17 pm  Reply with quote
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Figured that would get your attention!
Anybody who's attended any of the rallies know's how cool an experience it is.Anybody who hasn't and plans on attending this year is in for a treat.For 3 glorious days you get to hang out,party and ride with a hundred or so fools that are willing and proud to be seen on scooters,myself included.Problem is ,out of those hundred or so fools,only a handfull are willing to help get the rally up and going.WE NEED HELP!!!Plain and simple,all who use this board and attend the rally should be helping out no matter how little.
We need sombody to step up to the plate for the intown ride,who wants to be the hero and save the day?It's the more laid back ride of the 2,or is it??If your more into cruising than racing why not lead the pack on a nice meander of the twin cities.I would imagine that a snapshot of yourself leading a pack of scooters would make a pretty sweet screensaver for your comp.
Sponsorship has been going pretty good but we're still short on a couple of things.Most of us I would imagine have a job or at least a friend or family member that does.Get somthing,anything that there willing to donate,ready to throw away.Alot of us are regulars at bars,stores,coffee shops........the list goes on.Harass anybody you know,no matter how scooter related/unrelated they are.We still need to fill up the rally bags and are willing to put almost anything in them.Now doesn't that leave alot of doors open.......Anybody got any in's at planned parenthood,I think a condom in every bag would be a nice touch...
Does anybody have a connection at a print shop,copy shop,their work printer....that could spit out some flyers.Sombody must have a brother/sister in law that could maybe help out.This really need to be taken care of soon.Kory hooked us up big time last year and I'm hopeful sombody will pull some strings and save our asses again this year.
Anybody wanna drive the support truck??You get to pick up and make fun of all those that break down.As you'd imagine this position really needs to be filled or there's going to be some pretty pissed off scooter riders pushing their bikes home.
We also need help with general duties,blocking,cooking,registration etc etc.The list goes on folks and we really need to get together and make this happen.
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Tom Lindsay
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:22 pm  Reply with quote
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I'm a new rider who's never been to a rally before, so I was hoping to just participate in the long ride and maybe a couple other things, keep it low-key and enjoy myself. But as long as it doesn't interfere with my desire to spend the weekend *on* my scoot instead of *next to* it, I'd be willing to help with registration. I'm not skilled enough to lead a ride, and I don't want to be sitting there watching the scoots go by, so most of the other things you need aren't up my alley. Let me know what's involved...

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I didn't know very many people last year and volunteered for registration on Friday. I recommend it. It is a good way to figure out who everybody is AND it makes it fun for more people (lots of volunteers - lots of people share the load).
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:23 am  Reply with quote
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right back atcha!
I have offered repeatedly to help. NO RESPONSE.
If you need help so fuckin bad I'd think someone would respond.

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Sgt. Bhutt Load wrote:
right back atcha!
I have offered repeatedly to help. NO RESPONSE.
If you need help so fuckin bad I'd think someone would respond.


What do you want us to respond with? You signed up on the help wanted post so that means you're on. You seem to miss the part we have very little help so we can't get back to everyone individually. If you signed up on this post I just assume that's what you will do. If you have a problem with that then we don't need you.

edited for having a crappy morning...


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I'm one of those members who will be working on the Du but yet I haven't been in town for a couple of the planning meetings so I'm a bit out of touch. I also have the Character Flaw of being a Last-Minute Guy.

1) Even though I'd really miss the big ride, I'd be willing to work on the SLOW RIDE (including routing, leading or blocking) and I'd particularly like to get some of the Minn-Maxers to work with me on that one (GRANT! Call me on this). In fact, I'd suggest that the Minn-Max scooter club should SPONSOR and coordinate the whole slow ride event (Sunday too, perhaps, if there is enough demand). The Slow Ride should start out with the regular ride and try to link up at the end.

2) I love COOKING and so does Ginger so we would be glad to quickly shed our ride gear and put out the food, serve it and clean up. Who's the main food coordinator/contact person now?

3) We will both work REGISTRATION Friday (if needed) and Saturday fer sure.

4) I'll round up a couple more SPONSORS as well. I have yet to hit my usual backers. (has anyone talked to Pizza Luce or Tatters yet?)

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Hey Will - I talked to Tatters and they said yes, but if you could follow up and just pick up the stuff, that would be really great! If you agree, I'll email the guy and let him know you'll be in touch. I'm out of town (DENVER - YAY!) this weekend and so wouldn't be able to do it yet.

I don't know that anybody has talked to Pizza Luce - seems like we bring them a fair amount of business, I'd hope that they'd be willing to participate.

Let me know -

Thanks!
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Becky W.
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It's too hard not to bite my tongue about this.

Matt and Trish put a lot of work into organizing the rallies here, and they deserve big props for that. It's not a lot of fun herding cats, which is what trying to get scooterists to do ANYTHING amounts to. So Matt, don't take this as criticism directed at you - if anything you deserve several medals just for sticking with it. And Bob at Scooterville is being really generous too. But I have some questions I'm interested in hearing folks answer.

As I read all the bitching about needing help I'm left to wonder about some things.

SPONSORSHIP: Who CARES? In the early 90's I went to many rallies that had NO 'sponsorship' other than MAYBE the local scooter shop throwing in some useful freebies (that weren't given out by a tedious raffle process). Do people really travel from other cities for the "goodie bag"? Since when have scooter rallies turned into marketing opportunities? I don't buy the "community support" crap, either. Who CARES if your neighborhood dry cleaner "supports" your scooter rally or not? Everyone seems to put a LOT of work into the sponsorship thing. I don't get it. Why? So you can hand out a bag of cheap novelty items to attendees and provide some free advertising? What does that have ANYTHING to do with riding scooters?

PRESS RELEASES: Again, who CARES if this is on the news or in print? In fact, I'd prefer it NOT be! Why knock yourselves out writing "press releases"? What's the purpose behind that? Is "increasing visibility" so important that time that should be dedicated to making it a QUALITY RALLY is wasted on publicity mongering? The dumb-ass press will probably present anything about scootering or the rally as some novel clown parade (which it is, to an extent), or make some nauseating "lifestyle" piece out of it. Do you really care about that happening THAT much?

ART and FLYERS: Scrawl the date, time, place, and ride route on a piece of paper, and make a few copies. Toss a few up in motorcycle-friendly places and coffee shops and call it DONE! Let word of mouth and the internet do the rest. The scootering community, especially people who are keen on going to a rally, is small at best. I think it's awesome there are some super-talented artists in the scooter scene, but is this an opportunity to add to your portfolio or to get people interested in a really good rally? It's about the INFORMATION, not the artistic credibility. Maybe if there'd been less time spent conducting 'online voting polls' about the art and more time making arrangements for activities there wouldn't be so much STRESS at this last minute.

REGISTRATION: People come from out of town, driving for hours and we make them PAY to be here? Where EXACTLY does that registration money go? I know one year it went to a charitable source, but since then? Is its purpose to collect demographic information? To offset what costs? Are people who don't "register" not allowed to ride or participate? What's the REAL purpose of this besides creating another "job" to be filled and to waste time sitting at a table when you could be RIDING or having FUN?

It seems to me that you could save yourselves a LOT of stress by cutting out these totally useless components of what's supposed to just be a bunch of scooterists getting together for a few long rides and some partying. Have routes planned, provide some entertainment and food, and some places to stay for attendees, and there you have yourself a scooter rally. Seriouisly. We used to have some awesome, memorable rallies without ANY of that weird marketing stuff. Honest. And it was fun to plan.

I know I sound bitchy but oh well. Before the days of sponsorship and press releases, we were keenly aware of being the HOSTS. That meant we paid for anything and everything out of our own pockets (and this was before the days of easy internet communication) and PROVIDED a good time for ourselves and out-of-town scooterists. No one had to PAY to "register", there were no "goodie bags" (other than maybe a few booby prizes for furthest travelled, etc.) there were no TV cameras. I know it's not 1992 any more, but so what? Sure, there's more people to 'host' these days but if there's so little enthusiasm amongst that many pepole about helping, maybe making the organzing seem so daunting with all the 'jobs' is what's keeping people away. Maybe making your local scooterists feel guilty about not wanting to "hit up" their relatives' business for a T-shirt is what's turning people off. Yelling at folks about the lack of help with a process YOU created isn't exactly gonna get them on board, either.

For the record, I've offered help with music both at Grumpy's and at Scooterville, and I also offered to Matt to lead a city ride. Jeremy and I planning to put up a houseful of attendees, as well. I attended one rally planning meeting to let everyone know I was totally up for helping with anything music-wise, and I have heard next to NOTHING back from ANYONE about what's going on. So whatever.

Before you all rip into me please try to understand my perspective. And don't say "well you plan the rally then". I was done with that long ago just like Matt's about to be! And for good reason! I'm only trying to make y'all think about some stuff I think needs to be thought about before the bitching about 'no help' gets out of hand.

Beks

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Becky W. wrote:
REGISTRATION: People come from out of town, driving for hours and we make them PAY to be here? Where EXACTLY does that registration money go? I know one year it went to a charitable source, but since then? Is its purpose to collect demographic information? To offset what costs? Are people who don't "register" not allowed to ride or participate? What's the REAL purpose of this besides creating another "job" to be filled and to waste time sitting at a table when you could be RIDING or having FUN?


In case you haven't noticed times have changed. There are lot more new riders and people are a lot more sue happy these days. Rallies have been sued and registering is a way to have them sign a waiver they we are not liable for what happens. If you don't register you're not allowed, it's that simple. Something this big does cost money, 99% of the rallys charge, and we're one of the cheaper ones. Denver being the only free one I know you still have to register.

Again it's not 1991 anymore, and you can't compare a small camping rally 15 years ago with a rally with over 150 people...

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I think lots of people can totally appreciate your point of view Beks – as soon as it become big it looses a little spontaneity and novelty. This is just a different thing – it can still be fun, but will never be the old days.

Everything doesn't have to be complicated -- anyone only reading these posts will think it seems more complicated than it is -- but planning makes it easier and smoother for those attending, and it is part of being the hosts. 150 people cannot show up at a restaurant and expect to get quick service unless people know we're coming, likewise for cookouts, managing a group that big on city streets, etc. Re: registration - strangers show up to this event. Matt esp. but other folks as well, have to do it for liability reasons - sucks but true.

As far as sponsorships - I think it is fun getting free stuff! I esp. like that DVD with the super animation and the helmet bag I got last year. The oil came in handy…didn’t use everything in my goody bag but hell, it was free. I can’t complain. I think I can speak for the group in saying that nobody will force goody bags or prizes on anyone - hope I didn't overstep my bounds here. Hey! As I write my shipping guy just walked in with a big box of stuff from Scooterworks – hope I get one of those gift certificates. While I’m not super keen on publicity, it does get us some more free stuff.

I'm guessing nobody is going to complain about the rally patches, darn near free food, having somebody there to help when there scooter breaks down (sure was glad you were there when it was me breaking down) and all the convenience of a party at which you don't have to worry about anything or sit around while a bunch of people try to make up their minds.

Hope that all who read this enjoy the rally - it will be fun!
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Matty wrote:
Becky W. wrote:
REGISTRATION: People come from out of town, driving for hours and we make them PAY to be here? Where EXACTLY does that registration money go? I know one year it went to a charitable source, but since then? Is its purpose to collect demographic information? To offset what costs? Are people who don't "register" not allowed to ride or participate? What's the REAL purpose of this besides creating another "job" to be filled and to waste time sitting at a table when you could be RIDING or having FUN?


In case you haven't noticed times have changed. There are lot more new riders and people are a lot more sue happy these days. Rallies have been sued and registering is a way to have them sign a waiver they we are not liable for what happens. If you don't register you're not allowed, it's that simple. Something this big does cost money, 99% of the rallys charge, and we're one of the cheaper ones. Denver being the only free one I know you still have to register.

Again it's not 1991 anymore, and you can't compare a small camping rally 15 years ago with a rally with over 150 people...


I hear ya Matt, but that doesn't answer the question. Where EXACTLY does the money go? Which rally got sued? For what? Did they win the case? Were you advised by a lawyer or insurance specialist to provide these waivers? You're not "allowed" if you don't register? Really? Neither Jeremy or I (and some other people we know) have EVER registered and we've ridden. What costs money? I know Bob pays for the food, Grumpy's pays bands/DJ's out of their own tills, and everyone else is volunteering their services, time, skills, equipment and goods. What else is there?

And why *can't* you compare a 'small camping rally' (how small? How many of those did you go to?) with one of these 150+ monsters now? So press releases and raffled prizes are now necessary to accomodate the increased numbers? It's still just a bunch (20 or 150) of scooterists getting together to ride and party, 1991 or 2005. The only way times have changed is that scooterists aren't as DIY anymore, (needing sponsorship and publicity and goodie bags to have a good rally? Whatever happened to plain ol' BEER?) which is fine until they bitch about it.

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Never hit "post reply" before reading the post first....

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This isn't worth my time bek.. if you want to create more drama and stress fine, but I'm just going to ignore you.

THANKS!!

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Matty wrote:
This isn't worth my time bek.. if you want to create more drama and stress fine, but I'm just going to ignore you.

THANKS!!


It's *your* stress and *your* drama dude. You and *your* planning committee are the ones creating it with posts insinuating that people are "fucking around" when they've offered to help.

Ignoring people who offer help for free? Sounds about right.

YOU'RE WELCOME!!

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Mojo Willy wrote:

1) Even though I'd really miss the big ride, I'd be willing to work on the SLOW RIDE (including routing, leading or blocking) and I'd particularly like to get some of the Minn-Maxers to work with me on that one (GRANT! Call me on this). In fact, I'd suggest that the Minn-Max scooter club should SPONSOR and coordinate the whole slow ride event (Sunday too, perhaps, if there is enough demand). The Slow Ride should start out with the regular ride and try to link up at the end.


Though I'd rather have you on the big ride, having the minnmaxers lead would be sweet! Then I can impose a 210cc limit as well as the 100cc min.!!

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