Joined: 18 Jun 2005
Location: Longfellow, Minneapolis
I keep picturing you as the BK King. I think we can all agree that is much, much too creepy to continue.
How about that BK commerical where the guy wakes up and the king is in bed with him.... Way creepy. I don`t think I will eat there again....
I suppose they believe that anything that sticks in your head is good advertisement; but yeah, that ad was creepy on so many different levels - beyond the obvious, it always seemed to me that it had this kind of stoned-out vibe to it. This guy wakes up with a giant cartoonish playing-card king sitting in his bed with him, and he annd the dude are laughing without saying anything...
Kymco scooters are amazing. They have their shit together. They are the best modern scooter company period!
Here's my preference list. Favorite first.
Nothing beats an original mechanically rebuilt vintage Italian scooter. The BEST styling, simple great design, fun, and totally reliable. I would ride my Vespa SS180 or my Lambretta TV to California and back no problem. People that say they are unreliable have never experienced a properly rebuilt one. These are really the only bikes I love.
The Stella is next. Of course a "vintage" guy would say that. But if you don't want to rebuild your engine but love the vintage look, the Stella is it. It's better than an old P200 and I don't really like the new Vespas. I know I will piss alot of people off (sorry JD) but the new vespas look like Barbie bikes. Plus, I can't stand what Piaggio has turned into. Talk about a company run by pre-modonnas!
The Kymcos are the best modern scooters period. Unbelieveable reliablity, great model selection, decent pricing... what else could you ask for in a modern bike?
Then there are a bunch of middle of the road stuff. Some interesting stuff but nothing that stands out.
Sorry, Baron but the Chinese stuff is at the very bottom. I guess if you are the cheapest basterd in the world and like to be disapointed they would be O.K. Not to mention being ready to spin the wrench ASAP. I can't see how the "parts assembly" method of building a scooter can work well. 80 plus scooter manufacturers making all different qualities of the same bike? Crazy! Imagine the back alleys in China. There must be scooter parts pushers just crawling all over.
I'm sure I missed something but that's it in a nut. Of course this is my opinion and everyone will differ.
Joined: 21 Dec 2005
Derric, whatever floats your boat. Thank God that we have the choices that we do. My choices would be Piaggio, Vespa, Stella, Kymko and I agree with you on the chineese. They sell too much anyway. Just go down to your local Target and that's all you will find. Mainland Chinese crap!
It doesn't really matter what we think, our grandkids will all be taking mandarin chinese as a requirement in High School.
I imagine what we are going through must be about how Great Britain felt after WWII - bankrupt and the end of the empire. It's pretty scarey when one of the largest sectors of your economy is entertainment.
I'm not convinced that I'd want to by a Baron "Fashion" (who names these things anyhow?), but I admire the way they participate in the world economy from Plymouth Minnesota. We need more of that.
I think it's a fair comparison to Honda, who would outsource many of it's parts to submanufacturers like KYMCO.
I think most products, even piaggio scooters are made from components from all over the world. I just don't see that aspect as all that different. I'd agree that it seems to be failure on several levels from component supply to final prep that contribute to the questionable record of scooters from mainland china but the mass production of vehicles from outsourced components is just how everyone does it. I don't see it mattering all that much if chassis is welded in house as long as the house in question maintains a level of standards that would be acceptable from their suppliers. Maybe a factory specializing in tubing bending and welding would do a better job at making chassis than a from-scratch manufacturer.
I agree. The problem I see is that the "assembly factories" are just using what is available on the market. They are using cheap copied parts. The assemble houses are not really designing their own parts or the scooters they assemble. They are really kind of cheap frankin scooters.
When Honda went to Kymco for engines they said make them like this and to this quality. The engines were specific for Honda scooters not a copy of a Yamaha engine. Most good manufactures use subcontractors but they make them conform to their needs and designs.
It's not the same with most Chinese knock off scooters.
Interesting quote: "some 170 Chinese cities limit or ban motorcycle use or ownership, largely because they are viewed as underpowered, cheap, polluting machines." Maybe it's due to the products they normally see?
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