Harvey, I'm so glad you could come back to the "scene" and tell us all what it means to be a "scooterist". As for the epa stuff, your not the only one with comunications to the outside world. We are all watching that stuff pretty closely. Thanks for your imput. Vintage enthusiasts like myself are very atuned to this sort of thing. And as far as I can see that is the only argument here. Why do you insist on dragging this thing out as far as you have. Sounds to me like you just want an "internet fight". If that's the case then Derrick has already won. Go back to the sticks and ride your scooter. There will always be differences ie... Harley's, crotch rockets, goldwings, new scooters, old scooters, but to argue on the internet is like puting a screendoor on a submarine. Damnit now you got me using my dad's language...
Yeah, you're right I took this too far. And your other points were not wasted on me either.
By the way, what do you ride if you don't mind my asking?
Make the speedometer an option, top it off with three speeds, and replace whatever components made up the front 'suspension' with a very bouncy spring.
And replace the Vespa badge with ye olde allstate logo, and you're pretty much most o the way there.
Hey, my Allstate resembles those comments - but I ride it anyway and love it (just doesn't move on it's mechanical merits - has gone a long way on love alone).
I actually posted to gloat that it's lucky for me a have a new (old) GS! Wooooo hooooooooo! I LOVE that thing even though it doesn't move yet. When it does, watch out. I'll be glued to it. AND, the amount of joy I get just from sitting on it even though it doesn't move yet is greater than anything new and plastic would ever give me. Love to ride, but a lot of the joy comes from making things go and from hanging out with all the other passionate people who make "going" on any of my scooters possible. Oh and all those little details that somebody thought about and put on the GS that my Allstate lacks are SO COOL...grinning just thinking about them (except the missing shroud, that makes me frown).
I'm still pleased to see groups of new and/or plastic out for rides. People having fun and enjoying what they've got for whatever reason the love it is nice to see, it's a hell of a lot better than cars on the road for sure.
The passion for old beautiful things as old beautiful things is a totally different than loving to ride scooters simply to ride them. It's a bug. Sometimes I wish there were a cure, but seeking a cure has tendend to lead to more dead scooters in my garage.
Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: the metal house
I'm sorry I read all 6 pages of this...
A little clarity on the EPA and 2-strokes. They only changed the emission standards to include bikes 50cc and under. Some companies chose to get rid of their 2-stroke bikes (like yamaha and honda) and others did what they could to comply and pass the the EPA standards (like TGB, PGO and others). The days of 2-strokes maybe numbered if they don't get cleaner in the future, but there have been no restrictions specifically against 2-strokes.
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